In the powerful conclusion of Pastor Brian Houston’s candid conversation with Pastor Jonathan Shuttlesworth, this episode dives into ministry, marriage, leadership, loyalty, and what it really takes to go the distance in both life and calling.

From hilarious commentary to deep insights on building lasting ministry impact, this episode balances humor, honesty, and heart. Pastor Jonathan and Brian discusses creating a joyful and life-giving ministry culture, raising leaders and identifying the "gold" in people and what truly limits ministry growth.

Plus, practical advice for young leaders, evangelists, and couples entering ministry together—and how to lead without becoming "mean" along the way.

Raw, relatable, and full of wisdom (with a few curveballs and laughs), this finale is a must-listen for anyone passionate about leadership, church growth, and finishing well.

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